can i sell GW if i don't like it? [MERGED] - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Phantium · Apr 28, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Wow, how can you get bored of Guild Wars that easily. It's a great game.

Grymlock · Apr 28, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by alestian

See, I think that restricting a customer's ability to resell the game to another player who might actually use the game is just completely wrong. That's like saying - We will let you buy a car but you cannot sell it to anyone. Regardless of how old the car gets, you must keep it forever and ever. Or, you can buy a house but can't sell it. Or, you can buy expensive jewelry but not sell it. I just hate that companies do this to the customers who buy a game and then realize that they spent their money on something that really looked okay but overall isn't for them. Why not let another user who wants to play the game have a chance at it? Or, what if I wanted to give it to my best friend as a gift (i.e., he does not pay for it. i do not get money for the game. he gets the game for FREE.) but I don't want him to have all of my personal account info? See, just isn't right.

You did not buy the game, you liscensed a copy, refer to the EULA you agreed to when it was installed. FYI just about 100% of software works this way, you liscense a copy not purchase.

Virtuoso · Apr 28, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Ranja123

Return it to the place you purchased it?
You never know...

So some unlucky bastard that's actually willing to give the game more than a 4 hour test run gets screwed because he's unknowingly trying a used CD key? Good one.

-Virt

Ranja123 · Apr 28, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Stranger yet is why this forum is used for this kind of question... over and over

Snake 1968 · Apr 28, 2005, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Just tell the person yu sell it to to edit the Email and password to a new one after he gets the game. Why do you people make it so hard. But I did not tell you how to do this.

Cynical Crab · Apr 28, 2005, 09:20 PM // 21:20

It says right on the box, "Not valid for resale by prior owner." Which means, no you can't E-Bay it off and if you do, A.Net and NCSoft can take action if they choose.

Deagol · Apr 28, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21

The EULA tell you to cancel your account under some circumstances. This means that it should be possible in the future.

Meanswhile, the account is the game. You can sell it by changing the mail address to that of the buyers.

Jia Xu · Apr 28, 2005, 09:23 PM // 21:23

plus, why would you want to sell it? its not like WoW, where you have to pay monthly - its going to be around and available for you at no extra cost, so do what i do with Diablo 2 - play it, and if you get bored (im never gonna get bored of GW) then stick it in a cupboard and leave it for a few months. If you are bored of all your games then, then bring GW back out and you will be amazed at how fun it seems (heck, i find D2 fun when i do this, and i have full sets of loads of characters e.g Tal Rasha's IK etc. - dont sell the best game of this year!

Zai · Apr 28, 2005, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by alestian

That's like saying - We will let you buy a car but you cannot sell it to anyone. Regardless of how old the car gets, you must keep it forever and ever.

Thing is, you can not clone a car in less then 5 minutes for 1/100 the price you paid for it, and then mass produce it and sell it for 1/10 the price you paid and make a killing. And it would be more like a car that remembers your finger prints and wont let anyone but you drive it after you first get in.

Bgnome · Apr 28, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

this is not a discussion board. ones asks questions and one receives answers. end of story.

if you wish to make vague comparisons or discuss ethics behind the matter, use another forum. i will close this thread if it degenerates further.

Deagol · Apr 28, 2005, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Cynical Crab

It says right on the box, "Not valid for resale by prior owner." Which means, no you can't E-Bay it off and if you do, A.Net and NCSoft can take action if they choose.

These kind of restrictions have no legal force in most juristictions. A.Net and NCsoft could take legal action, but they would be thrown out of court or even been fined for contempt of the law.

Oddish · May 10, 2005, 08:17 PM // 20:17

I'm in the same situations as the OP, so I'd just like to make sure. Is it possible for the person who buys my copy of the game, to change the e-mail address and password to his own?

How do I sell this game, and transfer all control over the account to the buyer? Let's say I change the e-mail address to the buyer's and then let him change the password to the account. But I still could have the cd-key on a note somewhere. Can I take over the account again by entering the cd-key again? I wanna make sure that the buyer gets full control over the account.

ChristopherKee · May 10, 2005, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by Oddish

I'm in the same situations as the OP, so I'd just like to make sure. Is it possible for the person who buys my copy of the game, to change the e-mail address and password to his own?

Yes, they can change the account information. Your email and his will be sent a confirmation notice for each the email and password changed. All you have to do is confirm and the accounts all his.

I know because I purchased 3 copy's to start and only needed 2. I changed the email address and password on the third copy and gave it to a friend. He then changed it to his email.

And no. you can't "enter the cd key in again". The CD-Key is tied to the new email address.

Oddish · May 10, 2005, 08:49 PM // 20:49

Great! Thanks for the reply. I had real trouble getting into this game, and it's a shame to just let 45 euros go to waste.

Velric Shadran · May 10, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21

It is completely and 100% doable to sell your items, charaters, game, or account on EBay or in any other fashion. Guild Wars has no EULA or agreements upon playing.

mtxed · May 10, 2005, 09:51 PM // 21:51

What happens if you resell to a person though?

They have to install it on their computer but when they input the same CD KEY as the previous owner what will happen? Will it let them install on the new computer or will it say: INVALID CD KEY and therefore cancel your installation?

BTW im interested in buying one for my cousin if you offer a good price

I think its legal to sell items, gold on eBay but not within the game itself, some idiot was spamming: 1000g for $3US PAYPAL!!! hahaha

Sekkira · May 10, 2005, 10:25 PM // 22:25

No, you wouldn't put the cdkey in. You'd give them the username and password for the account and then they can change it and the cdkey is theirs.

Jasmine Esper · Jun 02, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28

So I would sell the game.. send the buyer all the stuff, except the key after changing the account username and password. The user logs in and changes it to whatever he wants and that key is his..

doesn't he need the key to install the game? I forgot the installation process already.

Poppinjay · Jun 02, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cynical Crab

It says right on the box, "Not valid for resale by prior owner." Which means, no you can't E-Bay it off and if you do, A.Net and NCSoft can take action if they choose.

Just because it says that it doesn't mean it is either.

A.) Legally binding.
or B.) Moral.

I remember lots of arcades in the 80's saying that they were not responsible for machines that would take coins without activating the game. This is of course BS as well, and they are responsible.

You can say anything you want on a sign or a box with the exception of a few things expressly prohibited. I could put a plaque above my door that reads "By entering this appartment you agree to tithe your income to me for the rest of your life." Doesn't mean it will be binding.

But to me, morality is the larger issue. As far as I am concerned, if you buy something you own it, and it is yours to do with as you will. This includes the transfer of property rights.

After all, if the item were stolen from you, you could press charges for theft. That means it must be your property. And if it is your property, you can freely give it away.

This is just another example of copyrights and sale agreements gone wacko. Unfortunately sometimes these are enforced, but hopefully this trend will end when people realize how disasterous these policies are. They are right up there with "point and click" agreements that don't require the entering of credit card info etc.

Poppinjay

"Enough of this feaces, this is a pathetic "WAAAHHH NERF!" thread..." -Principa Discordia

Genosha · Jun 07, 2005, 03:07 AM // 03:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poppinjay

Just because it says that it doesn't mean it is either.

A.) Legally binding.
or B.) Moral.

I remember lots of arcades in the 80's saying that they were not responsible for machines that would take coins without activating the game. This is of course BS as well, and they are responsible.

You can say anything you want on a sign or a box with the exception of a few things expressly prohibited. I could put a plaque above my door that reads "By entering this appartment you agree to tithe your income to me for the rest of your life." Doesn't mean it will be binding.

But to me, morality is the larger issue. As far as I am concerned, if you buy something you own it, and it is yours to do with as you will. This includes the transfer of property rights.

After all, if the item were stolen from you, you could press charges for theft. That means it must be your property. And if it is your property, you can freely give it away.

This is just another example of copyrights and sale agreements gone wacko. Unfortunately sometimes these are enforced, but hopefully this trend will end when people realize how disasterous these policies are. They are right up there with "point and click" agreements that don't require the entering of credit card info etc.

Poppinjay

"Enough of this feaces, this is a pathetic "WAAAHHH NERF!" thread..." -Principa Discordia

Strong Argument... But not really Valid... Did you agree with the Company Statement when you first installed the game? I would say, "yes" you did. That means that you have agreed to a valid contract with the company that owns the software. SO that whole thing about the door goes out the window if someone says I do not agree and by chance you let them in anyways then you awknowledge the disagree with the statement. Now if by chance you get tired of the game and want to sell it, you are bound by it. Could you change all the information (sure), but the outcome would be they could cancel the account at anytime. I can tell you this They Do NOT hold IP's and they Do NOT take Personal information off your computer. It would mean they are now in breach of Confidentialtity which is in FEDERAL jusdiction and would kill business.... Oh and about giving it away YES you could do that. Reason? Simple you are NOT taking money for Profit or Rembursement for money....
Ah yes I remember the EULA is a legal and binding contract or don't use the product. This is supported by all avenues of the LAW.... So tell me do you really want Microsoft to have access to all your information on your computer? Because the EULA is also a statement of privacy telling you that they will not share your information etc....

So Read everything before you say "yes" and by all means remember that just beacause you own it does not mean you have all rights to it...Would you say since you own it you can change the programing in it? The answer is NO...

Apr 28, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37	#30
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May 10, 2005, 08:17 PM // 20:17	#32
Oddish Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	I'm in the same situations as the OP, so I'd just like to make sure. Is it possible for the person who buys my copy of the game, to change the e-mail address and password to his own? How do I sell this game, and transfer all control over the account to the buyer? Let's say I change the e-mail address to the buyer's and then let him change the password to the account. But I still could have the cd-key on a note somewhere. Can I take over the account again by entering the cd-key again? I wanna make sure that the buyer gets full control over the account. Last edited by Oddish; May 10, 2005 at 08:22 PM // 20:22..

Apr 28, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27	#21
Phantium Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Netherlands Guild: Europe United [EU] Profession: W/Mo	Wow, how can you get bored of Guild Wars that easily. It's a great game.

Apr 28, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54	#24
Ranja123 Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	Stranger yet is why this forum is used for this kind of question... over and over

Apr 28, 2005, 08:58 PM // 20:58	#25
Snake 1968 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2005	Just tell the person yu sell it to to edit the Email and password to a new one after he gets the game. Why do you people make it so hard. But I did not tell you how to do this.

Apr 28, 2005, 09:20 PM // 21:20	#26
Cynical Crab Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Feb 2005	It says right on the box, "Not valid for resale by prior owner." Which means, no you can't E-Bay it off and if you do, A.Net and NCSoft can take action if they choose.

Apr 28, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21	#27
Deagol Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denmark	The EULA tell you to cancel your account under some circumstances. This means that it should be possible in the future. Meanswhile, the account is the game. You can sell it by changing the mail address to that of the buyers.

Apr 28, 2005, 09:23 PM // 21:23	#28
Jia Xu Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: England Guild: Dynasty Warriors Profession: Mo/E	plus, why would you want to sell it? its not like WoW, where you have to pay monthly - its going to be around and available for you at no extra cost, so do what i do with Diablo 2 - play it, and if you get bored (im never gonna get bored of GW) then stick it in a cupboard and leave it for a few months. If you are bored of all your games then, then bring GW back out and you will be amazed at how fun it seems (heck, i find D2 fun when i do this, and i have full sets of loads of characters e.g Tal Rasha's IK etc. - dont sell the best game of this year!

May 10, 2005, 08:49 PM // 20:49	#34
Oddish Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	Great! Thanks for the reply. I had real trouble getting into this game, and it's a shame to just let 45 euros go to waste.

May 10, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21	#35
Velric Shadran Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	It is completely and 100% doable to sell your items, charaters, game, or account on EBay or in any other fashion. Guild Wars has no EULA or agreements upon playing.

May 10, 2005, 09:51 PM // 21:51	#36
mtxed Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: tdOt, Canada Profession: W/Mo	What happens if you resell to a person though? They have to install it on their computer but when they input the same CD KEY as the previous owner what will happen? Will it let them install on the new computer or will it say: INVALID CD KEY and therefore cancel your installation? BTW im interested in buying one for my cousin if you offer a good price I think its legal to sell items, gold on eBay but not within the game itself, some idiot was spamming: 1000g for $3US PAYPAL!!! hahaha

May 10, 2005, 10:25 PM // 22:25	#37
Sekkira Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canberra, AU	No, you wouldn't put the cdkey in. You'd give them the username and password for the account and then they can change it and the cdkey is theirs.

Jun 02, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28	#38
Jasmine Esper Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Carolina	So I would sell the game.. send the buyer all the stuff, except the key after changing the account username and password. The user logs in and changes it to whatever he wants and that key is his.. doesn't he need the key to install the game? I forgot the installation process already.